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I don't think that focusing on those who are currently alive is particularly selfish/bad. Those who would never be born would not be bothered by this fact either while the sicknesses and suffering of those currently alive are very real. Having a chance to cure these people is, in my opinion, is of very high importance. (Additionally, when talking about an astronomical number of not yet born people, one also assumes that no other catastrophy/process would otherwise wipe out humankind which seems overly optimistic to me.)

Accepting a 95% conditional probability sounds quite extreme indeed, but I would absolutely accept 1% and would seriously think about 20% as well. I am not sure why most people would, as you write, dismiss even 1% risk for such a potential gain.

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Very interesting. We seem to be writing about many of the same things, making many of the same arguments these days: https://haggstrom.substack.com/p/those-who-welcome-the-end-of-the

This stood out for me, as I've written almost the exact same thing (in old and new articles):

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I wrote about an older consideration of Bostrom’s that “I feel extremely uneasy about the prospect that it might become recognized among politicians and decision-makers as a guide to policy worth taking literally”. At that time, the discussion still seemed abstract and hypothetical, but now that we have arrived at crunch time for humanity, the same sentence applies with even greater force to his Optimal Timing for Superintelligence paper, and the prospect that that paper might fall into the hands of policymakers gives me nightmares.

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"Abstract and hypothetical" -- I've said that, too, in talking about Yudkowsky's claim that nearly everyone on Earth should be "allowed" to die to preserve the glorious transhumanist future.

A primary focus of mine these days is the pro-extinctionist elements of TESCREALism. It's not just Faggella and the rest, but Bostrom, Ord, MacAskill, too. I wrote about it starting in section 4 of this paper: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10790-025-10072-7. For whatever that's worth.

It's all pretty shocking. I think that, with a few qualifications, the options before us re: ASI are extinction or, alternatively, extinction. There's no scenario being pursued by the most powerful and influential tech folks in which our species makes it through. The future is posthumanity, not humanity.

Thanks for writing this. Will subscribe. :-)

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